Bait-and-switch brides: would you lie to vendors to get a better deal? #Budgeting Advice#budgeting#wedding industry August 20 2018 | Catherine Clark bijouxandbits I must not tell lies – temporary tattoo from Bad Wolf Cosplay If you're planning a wedding, you've probably realized just how much wedding vendors will mark up their prices when they know it's for a wedding. You may be pretty peeved that you're having to pay a "wedding tax" for something that would cost less on any other kind of occasion. But in a lot of cases, these extra costs are incurred with good reason, especially for service-oriented vendors like DJs and photographers. Weddings usually take a lot more time, effort, equipment, and generally just extra care than other social gatherings. Despite this, some couples are trying to snag a better deal from their vendors by withholding the fact that the service will be used for a wedding instead of, say, a vow renewal, family party, or similar. We've heard these called "bait-and-switch brides." Some vendors, like those providing DIY materials or finished products, may never even find out what your event is before making the sale and probably don't care too much if it's a wedding or not. But some, like photographers, DJs, or hair and makeup artists, need backups in case of emergency and will go to greater lengths to make sure things run smoothly due to the pressure of the event. You might balk at a higher price for an updo or wedding day makeup, but the artist could be using different products to make sure it lasts well into the night. In a lot of cases, the services you'll get by paying for "wedding services" will be different from other kinds of events. Delivery, packaging, level of service, interacting with other vendors — all can be different for a wedding. The quality is often higher, as are the risks and potential drama that can occur at a wedding versus a birthday party or family reunion. Alternately, there may be some vendors, a hands-off venue with no service aspects for instance, where a mark-up in price for the venue makes no sense. But a venue where the service is clearly different for a wedding (ceremony to reception turnover, extra servers, extra equipment, higher expectations, juggling communications with lots of other vendors), the wedding markup can make total sense. Sometimes it's not completely apparent what the differences in service will be or if they'll be identical. It's worth an ask. For me personally, I find that when all of my vendors are aware of what kind of event this will be, it's easier for them to coordinate with each other if necessary and also to anticipate wedding-specific issues that could come up and be adequately prepared for them should they arise. I feel like the more everyone knows, the smoother things will go. But budgets are budgets and sometimes you have to cut costs somehow. My question is this: do you think it's ever okay to lie to your vendors and not mention the wedding aspect to get a better deal? Engaged couples: are you seeing the "wedding tax" and are you actively trying to avoid it? Vendors: what are some examples of extra effort/equipment/time that goes into a wedding event versus any other kind of event? More ethical wedding discussions: The ethics of a cheap off-shore wedding dress I think that stealing a wedding dress design and having it made in China (in a place that is probably a sweatshop) is really unethical. It upsets me, as it… Read More Duplicate It Yourself: the dark side of DIY Here's the scenario: you're looking for wedding ideas online. You find something you like, but it costs more than you want to spend. What do you do? And when does… Read More Reporter Name * Reporter Email * Original text Enter the original text here. Edited text* Enter your suggested copyedit here. Notes You can add a note for the editor here. * Required information. Fix Typo Catherine Clark Catherine Clark is Offbeat Bride's Senior Editor. In her spare time she loiters at her local library, makes art, watches movies en masse, plays video and tabletop games, poorly cooks healthy things, cuddles with her feline fur baby, and blogs at BijouxandBits.com. @enidjcoleslaw @bijouxandbits @bijouxandbits PREVIOUS A sweet and sunny same-sex beachfront wedding on Puget Sound NEXT This minimalist Philly wedding proves that simple is CHIC Show/Hide comments [ 14 ] We told our reception venue it was a lunch to “celebrate our marriage” (as we are eloping) and when we met with them and they realized it was a wedding related event, they wanted to charge us $2000 more for use of the space (no tables/chairs/ladder/staff just the empty space) I held my ground and we got it for the original quote. No regrets at all in how we phrased things in our emails. 8 agree Reply We had an offbeat-ish wedding, and we didn't want a lot of the fuss that comes with more traditional weddings. We tried to avoid vendors who didn't understand our plan. We interviewed several wedding planners before we found one who was a good fit. We didn't do hair, makeup, or cake; the DJ was a friend as well as a professional; the flower vendor is actually a wholesaler who sells to the public and we went very simple. Ironically, the only vendor I was dissatisfied with was the caterer, who does a lot of weddings and ended up creating the only drama. 1 agrees Reply Just a note to the mods – for some reason I had access to edit or delete this comment. I didn't write the comment and have no permissions for this website, I'm just some rando, so… kind of a problem. 3 agree Reply Oh weird! We’re checking into this, thanks for calling it out! 1 agrees Reply We got this fixed! Thank you for calling it out and keeping us posted! <3 2 agree Reply It's kinda worth mentioning that budget sages like the UK's Money Saving Expert encourages the bait and switch. Having read the other side I think clarity and disclosure should win the day. An empty space having a price hike, unless they've booked a longer time slot, makes no sense, but if the vendor is expecting more costs at their end, then I don't think it should be kept a secret. 3 agree Reply No, it's NOT okay to lie to your vendors. What you're doing is KNOWINGLY misrepresenting. And, when you're knowingly LYING upon entering an agreement, it can be considered fraudulent misrepresentation…which is kinda serious. Doing this can give them (who you lied to) the legal ground to rescind your contract AND go after you for possible damages as well. For example, as a DJ if you tell me it's a party, then after booking, it comes out that it's actually a wedding reception, not only do I have the legal ground to cancel your contract (which I've done before), depending on the terms of the agreement when this lie was determined, you could also be held liable for the remaining balance. And, there isn't much you can do about it. Yeah, a vendor could just charge you the difference, but why would they want to work with a liar & one who is disrespectful? There are even buzz words many vendors pick up on when people try to get something cheaper. For a service provider, it doesn't matter how "small" your reception is going to be or that you're "only doing a few things." It's a wedding. Period. It doesn't change the fact of how much time is dedicated to that special day. Don't lie (misrepresent). 1 agrees Reply So I have a question about this, but before I dive in I want to make it clear that for some services (photography, DJing like your example), the wedding markup totally makes sense to me and I don't think it's cool to lie or equivocate to those particular vendors/service providers. My question, essentially, and for the whole thread, not just you, is: what exactly constitutes a wedding in the eyes of a vendor? What differences justify a high markup compared to, say, the same services for a benefit or vow renewal? My partner and I don't plan on having a legal ceremony, ever. We don't think that the state should have the moral or legal authority to decide what is and is not a marriage, and neither one of us is particularly religious. As a queer and polyam woman who is a bit of a Marxist at heart, this point is really important to me. This will really only change if the political climate ever looks like it will threaten our other rights (next of kin, inheritance, health…) that can't be solved easily or cheaply through other legal docs (our wills, power of attorney…). So does our "wedding" count as a wedding? Or does it count as a "celebration" or a "party with vows" or a "vow renewal" because it lacks the religious/legal aspect of marriage? Where exactly do we draw the line in deciding how much a particular vendor or service should cost, and why exactly is a wedding more "important" or more "drama-prone" than, say, a family reunion or other type of large formal event? The wedding markup seems pretty arbitrary to me, but maybe I'm missing the mark here. Idk, just food for thought. 5 agree Reply Just a note to the mods as above, I'm a random person too and I had access to edit Morgan's post above… Reply And I have access to edit yours! How strange! Reply We got this fixed! Thank you for calling it out and keeping us posted! <3 Reply i have to agree, i guess i don't understand the difference in price if i'm not asking you to emcee and don't want things like a father daughter dance etc. why the difference in price? 2 agree Reply What DJ has the money to bring this to court? I would hope the difference in wedding/normal services isn't THAT significant. At a salon, why does it make sense to pay significantly more for a wedding updo vs. a prom updo? IT'S ALL HAIRSPRAY. My updo for prom lasted well into the next day. If you're being charged a "wedding price" then the vendor should be able to provide specific examples of where that money is going, and why it's necessary. I feel this entire "issue" only exists because it' culturally acceptable (and even encouraged) to spend extravagantly on your wedding. No one would be willing to rent a venue, hire a caterer, DJ, etc for a family reunion at the price many would be willing to spend for a wedding. Are we truly paying for higher quality from the same vendors just because it's A WEDDING? Doubtful. My fiance and I chose a venue (literally just the empty space) that had a flat hourly rate, in part because we don't want to play into the idea that we should blow our entire savings on one (admittedly special, but still just one) night. 4 agree Reply In some ways, I think a markup for attention to detail (as one might expect greater attention to go into a wedding style than for another event), highly specific desires, and even higher expectations from the customer might be warranted, but I generally agree that some services are overpriced for the reason that they *can.* However, venues, caterers, DJs, and photographers (along with other wedding-related service pros) have a lot more on their plates and a lot less wiggle room with weddings than with other events simply because of the expectations from couples and wedding guests that everything go perfectly smoothly. Photogs in particular have extremely high pressure to capture every important moment that the couple *might* want (and hopefully have the foresight to discuss it ahead of time), are often shooting in extremely challenging environments (lighting in churches and other indoor venues is often TERRIBLE for portraiture), and have to make an even greater effort to stay out of the way and not be a distraction during the ceremony and other important reception events. Other kinds of event photography are rarely as demanding, as exacting, or as high-pressure as weddings, and the pricing should reflect this. Weddings might also call for more assistants, supplemental lighting equipment, preparation time, more particular or detailed editing, practice for shooting a specific style the couple wants, and often the inclusion of an engagement shoot so the couple and photog can determine if they can really work together and what kinds of angles look best for the couple. As a photographer and artist, that's the angle I can best speak from, but the level of demand in many cases is just HIGHER in weddings, and people rarely take into account the stresses and demands that places on the vendor's time and resources. If you're just thinking about materials cost and the day of, you may be ignoring a whole mountain of BTS work. I absolutely DO think that you're within your rights to ask where the markup comes from, and even ask what they would charge for a general event with X number of people, etc., beforehand, and then ask for the wedding price. If there's a hike and they won't explain why, then you've either got room to negotiate or walk. Reply Join the conversation Cancel Reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Sign me up for your offbeat awesomeness newsletter! 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