Fear mongering & you'll seeeee #Philosophizing#manifestos#married life#social anxiety January 13 | Ariel Meadow Stallings offbeatariel Photo courtesy of Stewart Butterfield Can we talk about the stories that we tell each other about life transitions? It seems as though, during wedding planning (and, as I'm learning, childbearing — and as I suspect most big life transitions) we tell each other a lot of scary stories. I mean, of course people want to share their experiences with each other. But all too often this storytelling slips into fear mongering. It's sort of a pre-emptive commiseration — an anticipatory sing-song of Oh, you'll seeeee…. It's our way of telling each other, "I had this experience, and I'm assuming my experience is universal and you'll have the exact same one. And mine was like this, so yours will be too — and then we can roll our eyes and bond over how awful it was together." We all love a common enemy, and all too often in pursuit of this shared experience, we project our challenges onto others. Oh, you'll seeeee… people say once you announce your engagement… "It's going to be so high drama and hard and you're going to be forced to do all these things you don't want to." And maybe it will be hard and high drama — but it doesn't have to be. If you chose to side step the drama ("Actually we're planning to skip place settings completely and let people sit where they want, so I'm not worried at all") people then seem aghast. "But, you can't do that," they say. "You can't just skip place settings!" I think what goes unsaid is You HAVE to worry! It's what we're going to bond over, because bonding over hardship is awesome! Certainly I experienced some of this in my own wedding planning — friends who told me, "Just accept it: you WILL be a bridezilla at some point." And I think I had exactly one moment, when our 10 minute ceremony walk-through got interrupted by some guests arriving early. I bugged out for a minute and then calmed back down. Oh wait! There was one other, when I wanted to get everyone out on the front lawn for toasts during the Golden Hour. That's why we're holding champagne bottles instead of glasses in the photos. NO TIME TO POUR DRINKS! But a cumulative 5 minutes of freaking out was hardly the inevitable bridezilla prediction I'd gotten, and in fact now I've spent five years trying to get people to STOP FREAKING OUT ABOUT THEIR WEDDINGS. Recognize the challenges and meet them front on, but with compassion and intention and minimized drama. Stop telling stories about how awful it all is — it doesn't help anyone. Don't white wash the challenges, but stop projecting that the challenges you experienced will going to be everyone else's challenges. The wedding fear mongering is just one of the stories we tell. The expectations of marriage after the wedding are often heavily weighted. "Marriage is a lot of hard work," people confide with furrowed brows. Your wedding is tacky I am officially decreeing myself done with the word "tacky." It's a word thrown around a lot in the wedding world — even the non-traditional... [more] "You'll never have sex again," they wink. "You'll stop hanging out with your single friends," they sigh. "My stupid hubs!" they laugh. "YOU know how husbands are. Stupid, stupid husbands." They whisper about cheating and boredom and bed death. And certainly these things can happen if you fall asleep on your life and just start going through the motions. But if you pay attention and go into with a lot of intent and questioning your own assumptions about why you're supposed to do anything … it just doesn't have to be that way. I'm learning this about another phase with the fear mongering around pregnancy, childbearing, and babies. I've never heard more sing-songy You'll seeeeee!s than I have when talking to people about becoming a mother. I've witnessed the other end of the spectrum too — people chided when they opt NOT to have children, told "Oh, you'll change your mind about having kids. You'll seeeee…" Certainly I've seen it in other parts of my life — my career, my home, my education, etc etc etc. You'll seeeeeee, people have always told me. And maybe because I'm a brat and want to prove them wrong, or maybe just because I live my life differently, or maybe just because I've been blessed and lucky … I've found myself NOT seeing. My husband being an irritating ball and chain that takes "work"? I didn't seeeeee. Ignoring my dog because I had a baby? No, I don't seeeee. Spending a lifetime locked in a meaningless job? No, I don't seeeee. I don't want to be naive, but when it comes to having to accept other people's visions as what I seeeeee … I don't want to seeeeee. It seems that in our effort to find shared experiences, we turn to each other and tell awful stories about how hard it all is. And you know what? Sometimes it IS hard. Sometimes the wedding plans fall apart and relationships fall apart and it feels like our life is falling apart. But rather than tell the horror stories, why not share the lessons? Learn as much as you can and share the positivity of what you learned, rather than the shared grumping about didn't work. Snarking and bitching feels awesome for a while — I totally get it. Four years ago, my job involved writing a celebrity fashion blog called "Carpet Burn" that was all about insulting red carpet attire. But snarking just doesn't really get you anywhere. So that outfit's ugly. So that's stupid. So that's not quite your taste or your values or your nature. Who cares? Time spent bitching could be time making yourself smarter and stronger and more awesome. So, here's to each of us vowing that once we've gone through one of life's big, rocky transitions (whether it be wedding, graduation, marriage, career shift, lifestyle earthquakes of all sorts) we'll turn to those around us and tell the stories of what we learned and how we grew. Here's hoping we'll offer each other encouragement and support instead of fear and snark. Reporter Name * Reporter Email * Original text Enter the original text here. Edited text* Enter your suggested copyedit here. Notes You can add a note for the editor here. * Required information. Fix Typo Ariel Meadow Stallings Author of Offbeat Bride: Creative Alternatives for Independent Brides, Ariel acts as the publisher of all the Offbeat Empire websites. She lives, loves, and dorks out hard in Seattle, WA. @offbeatariel @offbeatbride PREVIOUS Martha-esque photo lanterns as centerpieces NEXT Andy & Jeff's bright green, design-detailed weddings Toggle comments [ 130 ] Comment navigation ← Older Comments This was really well thought out and put into words so many of the things I've been thinking and feeling lately. Thank you. Also: "Ignoring my dog because I had a baby? No, I don't seeeee." People keep telling me this one and it p*sses me off! 0 agree Reply I told my best friend who is getting married this upcoming year (a year and a week after mine lol) that if I gave her too much advice or was just plain too annoying about wedding talk to hit me. One of the huge things that drove me nuts were people constantly giving me advice, or doing the "you'll seeee" thing. So I just told my bestie that it is best to get a photographer as early as possible, cuz many of them book up, even on a non-conventional wedding day. Other than that, I have tried my best to keep my big mouth shut! 0 agree Reply Awesome! Thank you! I think my FH gets even more "you'll seeeee" than I do! For instance, my FH has built a really fine intentional community with roommates. I too love communal living, and have been doing it my whole adult life before I met him. But a lot of friends are "you'll see"-ing him by assuming that the moment I move in, I will turn into House-zilla and want to kick out all the roommates! WTF! I will show this article to him and he will laugh. 0 agree Reply Once again, I am thanking my lucky stars that I have sane parents and friends. (Confession: I'm not engaged. Not even close. But still) My parents admit their relationship changed when they got married. It got better. My mother admits that she felt emotionally A-bombed for the first, oh, ten years of parenthood, but never makes a big deal out of it and always tells us how she knew she would love her kids, but didn't realize how much she would like her kids, as people, which is way cool. I'm constantly irritated that there are so few normal, middle-ground marriages in the spotlight. Young girls, especially, are either told that marriage is when the prince sweeps you up and magically solves every problem you will ever face, or that you'll spend the rest of your life with a belching, farting, husband who makes snide comments about your weight, moocher kids, and an overbearing MIL. I guess bitching about it is easier than doing something about it? I don't know. The people I know who complain the most are the ones who seem to be better at complaining than at acting on it. 0 agree Reply Once again, Ariel, I scream "YES!!!" in your general direction! Thanks so much for putting the truth out there and doing it soooo well! My response when people decide to share their negative forewarnings is to look them straight in the face and say "Are you trying to talk me out of (fill in the blank: living together, marriage, having kids). To which they always reply "oh…well….nooooo, it's just that…" And that's the point where I cut them off with "Then stop with the stories. Thanks." We're in Phase 3 now, having passed living together and getting married, we 're now in the process of adopting a beautiful baby girl, which is a very trying yet joyous experience. So why more than one friend would say "Say goodbye to your husband" is beyond me but, as you can see from what I wrote, I put an end to it pretty quickly! 1 agrees Reply Thanks for writing this! I hate it when people do this! The fear mongering has happened more to my faience than it has to me. Men keep telling him how he will never have sex again and I will change. I just don't think that's true! I think that people should stick to the old addage that if you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything at all. I don't want to hear your negativity about my wedding! We have a great relationship, and we will continue to have a great relationship after we are married. If anything changes it will only get better. We are going to beat the expectations, and we will not get divorced! As long as you stay open with eachother and are conscious of eachother's needs, and talk about everything (no matter what!) I think you will be just fine. 0 agree Reply So happy to read this! Thank you so much for addressing this issue. It's definately something that bothers me. When people do that "You'll seeee" thing, it projects so much negativity. I try my best to just trust my own instinct and take things like this with a grain of salt. 0 agree Reply This is so good! I'm not married yet, but we are definitely experiencing the "oh, you'll see" Both my fiance and I are a rather offbeat couple, we try very hard to make each other happy and keep things interesting, in the bedroom and out of it. We have no intentions to change that pattern just because I will share his last name. I'm in the process of pursuing a psychology major, and the biggest thing that I get out of most of my classes is that we like to look at the negative side of things. I didn't like my Abnormal Psych class because it's all about what can go wrong, not about how to fix it. I've found a new perspective on things since then. Oneof the things that I think is the most important is that people have the ability to control what they think about for a very large part, how they look at the world. Why must I go through that oh, you'll seeeeee thing when it's so much my choice to make things as they are. You will not lose your sex life if you don't choose to, you will not be unhappy with your children if you don't feel like it. You may have to prioritize, but since when is that a bad thing? One must choose what is the most important in their life and build from there. After all, what is the defining thing that makes us different from apes and all other creatures of the world? It's our ability to make choices for ourselves. So go ahead and plan your wedding and be happy about it, don't feel the need to stress, it's supposed to be a wonderful day. Share your triumphs, and spend a few hours looking at the brighter side of life, where I spend most of my time. It's lovely over here! 0 agree Reply This is a really great post, married friends and had been telling me for years that it takes months and months even years to plan a wedding. My partner & I got engaged in September and were planning on getting married 1 year later, people still told us that was going to be hard to plan. Unfortunately we found out 2 weeks ago that my partners mother's terminally ill and a week later we decided to get married asap. The wedding's in 5 weeks giving us 6 weeks to plan and so far it's all going fine. If there's one thing I've learnt so far it's that there's no point freaking out! 0 agree Reply Jojo, I'm so sorry to hear about your partner's mother. You might find some inspiration from this link: Reply I LOVE this post. I'm not yet engaged, waiting on the soon to be fiance to graduate college in May and get settled into his career. But I've heard tons of "you'll seee…." and I think that growing up we very between two extremes: Disney tells us it'll be perfect. Too often our parents and other married people tell us it blows, and there's not much in between to say "sometimes it'll be really good, and sometimes it'll be really bad, but two people devoted to each other can make it work." I'm just going to cackle when people try to tell me how awful life will be as I start "settling" down. 0 agree Reply Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! 0 agree Reply Excellent! The best advice I ever got when I was pregnant was "ignore all advice". However well intentioned, it's rarely helpful. 0 agree Reply Late to the party, but WOW are you spot on! I just wanted to say I have begun totally turning this around now that I am married. I am like, "You'll see… none of the crap matters and you'll have a blast!" or "You'll see, it's the same as being engaged/together, just a little bit more permanent feeling." I have friends who wanted a huge, big, white wedding, or just had no idea that there was an alternative, who, after seeing our wedding, refuse to do that. It is so exciting being able to be love-mongering, or whatever you want to call it : ) 0 agree Reply LOVE-MONGERING! I love that. 0 agree Reply I dig so much that there were at least two people who admitted that they used the dreaded "you'll see" themselves. It demonstrates so perfectly that a good portion of what people say to you is about them – not you at all. "You'll see" can come from a place of resentment, fear or even worry for the person it is directed at, so treat those who let it slip with gentleness and try not to fight snark with snark! I loved this post – it made me feel better not just about wedding plans but about all of the life decisions I have made and am trying to make. Thanks so much Ariel! 0 agree Reply i actually had a "friend" get upset when her you'll seees didn't actually happen. like her telling me how much i should expect to spend on a wedding, that i'd have a freak out, that my hair would look bad if i did it my way, etc etc then, once none of that panned out, it was well, if you'd had REAL wedding … i totally agree w/ the previous comment. when people tell you how you will feel, what they're telling you is how THEY FEEL. misery loves company. if everyone else in the world feels the same as they do, then maybe they don't have a problem, they don't have to change, there's nothing wrong … lalalalala personally, if something in my life was causing a great deal of stress, drama, & heartache, i'd HOPE i'd think to change it. & maybe that's what we should do, encourage people to grab the wheel. 0 agree Reply I had to put your blog on my blog to remind myself of the comments to come.. I am about 18months out from my wedding and the number of "you'll sees" I have already gotten, and the hype for the wedding planning—ahhhh! our experience will be ours and we love that about this stage of our lives. Thank you for your words, truly well said! http://www.bohemianbridel4.blogspot.com 0 agree Reply This is really great! Thank you so much for writing it. I'm going to share it with my friends. 1 agrees Reply Yes!! This has already happened with my future inlaws…one of them assumes the other will make my day miserable…and when I assure them that NO ONE will ruin my wedding day, they can't believe it…wouldn't I just naturally freak out if the shade of blue in the flowers doesn't match the shade of blue of the vases? No! 0 agree Reply exactly what i needed to hear 3 days before my wedding…thank you!!! 0 agree Reply I don't know if there are enough languages on the face of this planet (and any others out there) that could let me say "THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" for this article. Well put. Being a Bridezilla (which is a term I have come to f-ing hate like chaffed thighs in lemon-rind pants) is NOT required, for one thing. Also…well..erm…you've covered it all. Bravo, m'dear. I am thoroughly enjoying your site. In planning my wedding at some point for the next couple years, I have come to realize you are my Number One Resource. The End. Thanks again for all you do, Ariel. 0 agree Reply People really tend to do this with so many major life situations. I (unfortunately, but necessarily) don't have a relationship with my parents and it really gets me when people hear that and knowingly nod their head and tell me how we'll all come around or how all families experience periods like that. It's just so not appropriate for acquaintances to make comments like this about any serious experience in someone's life. I think it happens because relationships are formed on common ground… but some people just don't THINK before speaking. 0 agree Reply "So that outfit's ugly. So that's stupid. So that's not quite your taste or your values or your nature. Who cares? Time spent bitching could be time making yourself smarter and stronger and more awesome." — Best Quote Ever. 0 agree Reply I have found this post so helpful in reducing my wedding planning stress. I feel like at least once a month in our year and a half long engagement I've had someone telling me "You'll seeee…" about life after marriage. I have this post saved under my favorites & refer to it when I feel overwhelmed by it all. Thank you for this post. 0 agree Reply i totally needed this today, i feel a lot better, thanks Ariel 0 agree Reply This is one of my bookmarked all-time favorite posts… I even printed it out to remind me I'm not alone amongst the unsolicited "advice" and kept it at my desk at work! I also find I get left out of discussions amongst my (divorced, widowed, or just plain disillusioned) coworkers of relationships and the like, and I think it's BECAUSE I don't have a hateful relationship with my future husband. Such a shame that a feeling like (my theory anyway) jealousy can make others give someone the cold shoulder. I guess it just goes to show who are friends really are! (or, aren't!) 0 agree Reply We had a lot of 'you can't' and 'you must' comments being said when we got engaged. 'You must have an engagement party' um, no. We don't want one. 'You can't invite people just for the ceremony and not the reception'. Well we did and people were fine. We had a six month engagement, planned everything ourselves, with minimal input from others, had 50 people at our ceremony – in a garden (free venue), and only had bridal party, their partners and close family at the reception. It was a great day. And it was ours. Our day, our party. No one else's. and that's important to remember. So don't let people tell you can't and must. And don't listen to the 'you'll see' sayers. It's your day, your life, your memories. Not there's. 0 agree Reply Love this. I've heard a few wedding warnings, but more horror stories about marriage and children. "You'll never have sex again" is one of the worst. If you're not getting any from your partner, maybe you're with the wrong partner – that isn't how marriage should be. But the one that really gets to me is, "Don't have children, you'll regret it," or, "If I could do it all over again, I wouldn't have kids." It makes me sad and angry to think that these people wished their children didn't exist. Perhaps if they spent more time trying to be good parents and to raise their children to be good people, instead of whining and complaining and regretting ever having them, maybe they would enjoy parenthood a little more. Someday, when I'm talking to new brides and telling them stories about my wedding, I'll make sure to tell them the positive – how thrilled I was when he proposed, how much fun it was to envision and create our dream wedding, how I cried when I found The Dress. These are the stories brides should be hearing from their friends! 0 agree Reply This post = awesome!! The number of "You'll seeeee…"s I get now is ridiculous seeing as though my BF/Hubby/DH/Common-Law Partner/Lover (I change his title depending on my mood:)) and I are having our first baby (we weren't planning on having kids…oopps) and we are NOT married!! OH you should hear the comments!! 0 agree Reply A lot of people want to feel all smart and experienced and stuff, but have no idea how irritating unsolicited advice is to others. I'm sure I've probably done it too in moments of weakness — about other topics though. I deal with this "you'll seeeeee" crap by saying. "Sure. I'm allowed to change my mind." and they get all confused and have nothing else to say because I'm not playing the game anymore. And truly… we are allowed to change our minds, or not. It's not their call and no one is keeping some kind of score (or rather, they shouldn't be). Live life and don't explain yourself to others – tell them to deal with it and move on. 0 agree Reply This is so spot-on. Seriously, though, people are going to bitch and give their two cents to you. It's hard when that is coming from your immediate family who you so desperately wish would emotionally support you during some pretty exciting, probably once-in-a-lifetime events. With wedding planning, I've gotten to the point where I do not include the negative people… which basically leaves it to my fiance and I and some distant girlfriends over text message. (How many times can I politely tell someone we don't want to get married in Vegas… but, I'll see the greatness in that idea someday, right? Not to knock those who do get married in Vegas – just completely not our style.) This same principle can be applied to step parenting. I'm a step parent and have been for two years now since our little man was 2 years old. SO many people have bombarded me with their thoughts on what I'll eventually see about step parenting (because everything happens the same way to everyone…. right.). I'm constantly surprised with just how negative people are about it. I have had a wonderful, positive experience and completely love co-parenting with my fiance. The negative crap everyone wants to remind me of that could happen just has never happened. Of course, there are growing pains with any blended family, but that's to be expected. My issues come from other people's negative attitudes! And regarding child birth – who ever said to just stop people if you think them telling you about their experience is too negative… I say go for it. I refuse to talk to my family members about child birth. Nothing positive comes from it. I prefer to look at it in a wonderful light (like step parenting) and I'm realistic of what is a natural part of the process (labor pain). I don't need to hear about how I'll see that I won't want any more kids after my child birthing experience. 0 agree Reply Comment navigation ← Older Comments Join the conversation Cancel Reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked * Comment Notify me of follow-up comments by email. No-drama comment policy Part of what makes the Offbeat Empire different is our commitment to civil, constructive commenting. 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