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		<title>By: Krissy</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/10/offbeat-bride-diversity/comment-page-2#comment-64074</link>
		<dc:creator>Krissy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 09:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to say that as a BBBW( Big,Black, Beautiful Woman), in our culture if you do anything out of the norm, you are consider by some trying to be white instead of being yourself. My family already knows that our wedding is not going to traditional at all. Hell my dad and stepmother just met my fiance this Easter and just realize he is white.( I did give them heads up with the family portrait with us and the little one a few weeks before hand.) Plus another thing in our culture is that we tend to want to please everyone right down to the play mother we had in grade school and we (the couple) might be the ones paying for the wedding ourselves. Ariel, don&#039;t beat yourself up too much on this topic. I am just happy I found this website so I know I am not the only one who wants to mix a little this and that with the wedding. We&#039;re getting married next May,
so I can&#039;t wait to send you our pictures and possible a story or two about how the planning and wedding went.

Ciao!
Krissy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to say that as a BBBW( Big,Black, Beautiful Woman), in our culture if you do anything out of the norm, you are consider by some trying to be white instead of being yourself. My family already knows that our wedding is not going to traditional at all. Hell my dad and stepmother just met my fiance this Easter and just realize he is white.( I did give them heads up with the family portrait with us and the little one a few weeks before hand.) Plus another thing in our culture is that we tend to want to please everyone right down to the play mother we had in grade school and we (the couple) might be the ones paying for the wedding ourselves. Ariel, don&#039;t beat yourself up too much on this topic. I am just happy I found this website so I know I am not the only one who wants to mix a little this and that with the wedding. We&#039;re getting married next May,<br />
so I can&#039;t wait to send you our pictures and possible a story or two about how the planning and wedding went.</p>
<p>Ciao!<br />
Krissy
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 22:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can submit your wedding at http://offbeatbridal.com :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can submit your wedding at <a href="http://offbeatbridal.com" rel="nofollow">http://offbeatbridal.com</a> <img src='http://media.offbeatbride.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Ailea</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/10/offbeat-bride-diversity/comment-page-2#comment-63967</link>
		<dc:creator>Ailea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Half my family is Mexican by descent, and we&#039;re going out of our way to honor some awesome Mexican traditions at our wedding (mariachis, a pinata, guayaberas), while still making it our own (fingerpainting, beer can cupcake toppers, tree climbing). My husband-to-be is a white guy from Ohio, so we have a nice sort of fusion going on with what we each had in our heads when we thought &#039;wedding.&#039;  Ariel, we&#039;d LOVE to help add some &#039;color&#039; to the OBB site by having our wedding featured, so feel free to get in touch! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half my family is Mexican by descent, and we&#039;re going out of our way to honor some awesome Mexican traditions at our wedding (mariachis, a pinata, guayaberas), while still making it our own (fingerpainting, beer can cupcake toppers, tree climbing). My husband-to-be is a white guy from Ohio, so we have a nice sort of fusion going on with what we each had in our heads when we thought &#039;wedding.&#039;  Ariel, we&#039;d LOVE to help add some &#039;color&#039; to the OBB site by having our wedding featured, so feel free to get in touch! <img src='http://media.offbeatbride.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And - before I forget - thanks for making this a priority and area of concern!  I mean, in comparison to admissions offices, employers, and other people faced with similar disparities, you have way less control over how inclusive and representative this site can be, and yet you&#039;ve taken it on as your responsibility.  That&#039;s true badassery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And &#8211; before I forget &#8211; thanks for making this a priority and area of concern!  I mean, in comparison to admissions offices, employers, and other people faced with similar disparities, you have way less control over how inclusive and representative this site can be, and yet you&#039;ve taken it on as your responsibility.  That&#039;s true badassery.
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 20:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One idea for upping your population of black people? Target wedding photographers in places that have substantial populations of Black people.  I only moved to the west coast a few years ago, and coming from New Orleans, it was a HUGE change, just demographically.  When I&#039;d go to rockabilly shows and other &quot;offbeat&quot; events in NOLA, I wouldn&#039;t be the only Black person, but that&#039;s not the case in SF where I&#039;ll be the only black person in a mainstream club, let alone a rockabilly show.  I&#039;d say target New Orleans, Detroit, and maybe Atlanta to find your OffBeat Black brides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One idea for upping your population of black people? Target wedding photographers in places that have substantial populations of Black people.  I only moved to the west coast a few years ago, and coming from New Orleans, it was a HUGE change, just demographically.  When I&#039;d go to rockabilly shows and other &#034;offbeat&#034; events in NOLA, I wouldn&#039;t be the only Black person, but that&#039;s not the case in SF where I&#039;ll be the only black person in a mainstream club, let alone a rockabilly show.  I&#039;d say target New Orleans, Detroit, and maybe Atlanta to find your OffBeat Black brides.
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 01:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughtful response! It&#039;s part of why I love the new Feature box on the homepage -- it allows me to feature older posts that are still relevant for discussion, like this one.

I especially love your point about how, in contemporary American/Western culture, people celebrate their cultures of choice as much (or sometimes more!) than their cultures of origin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful response! It&#039;s part of why I love the new Feature box on the homepage &#8212; it allows me to feature older posts that are still relevant for discussion, like this one.</p>
<p>I especially love your point about how, in contemporary American/Western culture, people celebrate their cultures of choice as much (or sometimes more!) than their cultures of origin.
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		<title>By: Jessie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 22:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This forum seems to be inactive, but I wrote this in response:
(yeah, it&#039;s like an essay.  I should start a blog maybe)

What I find fascinating about the subcultures you feature on the site is that many of them hold the place of â€˜reverenceâ€™ that a traditional cultural background might.  People who are into steam-punk celebrate that niche to the extent of their dedication to it as a lifestyle.  Likewise, a traditional Chinese wedding can celebrate the rites of that background to a greater or lesser degree.  

The difference, however, seems to be that in the one case it is the personal choice of community on the part of the bride and groom, as opposed to their inherited, family-enforced community.   And then there are instances in which those entering into a marriage experience a sense of alienation from tradition, coupled with an instinct to find their own roots.  

Marriage seems to be an attempt to accept the balance of past and present commitments in your life.  And itâ€™s not like there canâ€™t be an intersection of the two.  Thatâ€™s what makes for all of these beautiful OBB moments where granny is getting down with a hula-hoop, or Catholic Dad is crying at his daughterâ€™s pagan hand-fasting.  

In some cases, the Bride and Groom may identify deeply with their inherited culture and still be loved and appreciated for their own wonderful weird-nesses.  How radical is it to really want a traditional wedding because it reflects who YOU are?  

I for one would be very interested to learn more about wedding traditions from many cultures, they ways they overlap.  There will be things I dislike and things that resonate with me, but again, thatâ€™s what makes this site so interesting:  the eschewing of, and incorporation of tradition, in unexpected ways.  

As we blend in the proverbial melting pot of 21st globalism, our families are increasingly being asked to step out of their specialized expectations of the world in order to embrace the lifestyles of their children and their childrenâ€™s chosen partners.  So many of us fall in love and marry outside of our particular cultural niche, and this is forcing our families to adapt, to stretch themselves, to challenge their expectations and to really meet new people and points of view.  Itâ€™s one of the truly great aspects of human experience; allowing other people to open our worlds.  And what OBB shows us is that even in the most rarified of subcultures, weddings are an attempt to embrace and celebrate our community, and for them to embrace us in kind, for exactly who we are, in our many beautiful colors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This forum seems to be inactive, but I wrote this in response:<br />
(yeah, it&#039;s like an essay.  I should start a blog maybe)</p>
<p>What I find fascinating about the subcultures you feature on the site is that many of them hold the place of â€˜reverenceâ€™ that a traditional cultural background might.  People who are into steam-punk celebrate that niche to the extent of their dedication to it as a lifestyle.  Likewise, a traditional Chinese wedding can celebrate the rites of that background to a greater or lesser degree.  </p>
<p>The difference, however, seems to be that in the one case it is the personal choice of community on the part of the bride and groom, as opposed to their inherited, family-enforced community.   And then there are instances in which those entering into a marriage experience a sense of alienation from tradition, coupled with an instinct to find their own roots.  </p>
<p>Marriage seems to be an attempt to accept the balance of past and present commitments in your life.  And itâ€™s not like there canâ€™t be an intersection of the two.  Thatâ€™s what makes for all of these beautiful OBB moments where granny is getting down with a hula-hoop, or Catholic Dad is crying at his daughterâ€™s pagan hand-fasting.  </p>
<p>In some cases, the Bride and Groom may identify deeply with their inherited culture and still be loved and appreciated for their own wonderful weird-nesses.  How radical is it to really want a traditional wedding because it reflects who YOU are?  </p>
<p>I for one would be very interested to learn more about wedding traditions from many cultures, they ways they overlap.  There will be things I dislike and things that resonate with me, but again, thatâ€™s what makes this site so interesting:  the eschewing of, and incorporation of tradition, in unexpected ways.  </p>
<p>As we blend in the proverbial melting pot of 21st globalism, our families are increasingly being asked to step out of their specialized expectations of the world in order to embrace the lifestyles of their children and their childrenâ€™s chosen partners.  So many of us fall in love and marry outside of our particular cultural niche, and this is forcing our families to adapt, to stretch themselves, to challenge their expectations and to really meet new people and points of view.  Itâ€™s one of the truly great aspects of human experience; allowing other people to open our worlds.  And what OBB shows us is that even in the most rarified of subcultures, weddings are an attempt to embrace and celebrate our community, and for them to embrace us in kind, for exactly who we are, in our many beautiful colors.
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU! I should have said it in my reply.  YOU ARE DOING WAAAAAAAAY BETTER THAN MOST.  I will push Myshell - Hannabals video and I have linked (my readers) to OBB.  Thanks again for being Off Beat in all the right areas.   

PS Off Beat Couples of Color is perfect, don&#039;t make yourself crazy. 
Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU! I should have said it in my reply.  YOU ARE DOING WAAAAAAAAY BETTER THAN MOST.  I will push Myshell &#8211; Hannabals video and I have linked (my readers) to OBB.  Thanks again for being Off Beat in all the right areas.   </p>
<p>PS Off Beat Couples of Color is perfect, don&#039;t make yourself crazy.<br />
Thanks again.
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		<title>By: OffbeatAriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>OffbeatAriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for chiming in, Cassandra -- when you mention the African American couple that also danced down the aisle, did you mean Myshell &amp; Hannibal? &lt;a href=&quot;http://offbeatbride.com/2009/06/myshell-hannibals-wedding&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://offbeatbride.com/2009/06/myshell-hannibals...&lt;/a&gt; I actually preferred their wedding dancing, and wondered to myself why Jill &amp; Kevin&#039;s wedding got so much more attention ...  
  
I remain super dedicated to getting more diversity on Offbeat Bride, and feel like we&#039;re doing a better job than most lily-white wedding blogs. That said, it&#039;s genuinely hard work to find diverse couples to feature, but it&#039;s important to me to try to always keep striving toward more and more diversity. Looking through the last couple months of wedding porn, I feel like we&#039;re getting better ... but still have a long way to go.  
  
It&#039;s worth checking out this link for a glance at OBB&#039;s couples of color: &lt;a href=&quot;http://offbeatbride.com/tag/offbeat-couples-of-color&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://offbeatbride.com/tag/offbeat-couples-of-co...&lt;/a&gt; (and does anyone have a better tag name for that? It&#039;s awkward, but I can&#039;t think of anything better.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for chiming in, Cassandra &#8212; when you mention the African American couple that also danced down the aisle, did you mean Myshell &amp; Hannibal? <a href="http://offbeatbride.com/2009/06/myshell-hannibals-wedding" rel="nofollow">http://offbeatbride.com/2009/06/myshell-hannibals&#8230;</a> I actually preferred their wedding dancing, and wondered to myself why Jill &amp; Kevin&#39;s wedding got so much more attention &#8230;  </p>
<p>I remain super dedicated to getting more diversity on Offbeat Bride, and feel like we&#39;re doing a better job than most lily-white wedding blogs. That said, it&#39;s genuinely hard work to find diverse couples to feature, but it&#39;s important to me to try to always keep striving toward more and more diversity. Looking through the last couple months of wedding porn, I feel like we&#39;re getting better &#8230; but still have a long way to go.  </p>
<p>It&#39;s worth checking out this link for a glance at OBB&#39;s couples of color: <a href="http://offbeatbride.com/tag/offbeat-couples-of-color" rel="nofollow">http://offbeatbride.com/tag/offbeat-couples-of-co&#8230;</a> (and does anyone have a better tag name for that? It&#39;s awkward, but I can&#39;t think of anything better.)
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bottom line for African American&#039;s, they, we, us, them, me, I etc, may have OBB ideas but we are UBER conservative (I&#039;m taking myself out of that).  Also AA suffer from &quot;What will they think&quot;.  I have seen a couple go down the aisle in a bold gold dress to the beat of drums, only to have a God parent show how uneasy they were with this type of ceremony,   
On the other hand just recently I went to a wedding photography event in Brooklyn and there were no pictures of couples of color (well one was a black guy who married a white women).  I didn&#039;t care about that but I was surprised that out of all the beautiful gallery like photos there were no black couples.  I complained (no I didn&#039;t call Al Sharpton) but I did feel left out as an AA.  
The wedding walk video that is getting a lot of play on the news and everywhere else was fab, but another couple (AA) did something similar a year before J and K, but did not get the same interest. 
Racism is usually seen as a bold unjustly horrible denial of rights of one group against another.  None of us (including myself) would like to admit to our own subtle and faint racists actions.  I don&#039;t think you, OBB are racist&#039;s (tough word, try being black, go to an upscale bridal show and get back to me) but you may not see or hear us.  
Thanks for being open to the conversation.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line for African American&#039;s, they, we, us, them, me, I etc, may have OBB ideas but we are UBER conservative (I&#039;m taking myself out of that).  Also AA suffer from &quot;What will they think&quot;.  I have seen a couple go down the aisle in a bold gold dress to the beat of drums, only to have a God parent show how uneasy they were with this type of ceremony,<br />
On the other hand just recently I went to a wedding photography event in Brooklyn and there were no pictures of couples of color (well one was a black guy who married a white women).  I didn&#039;t care about that but I was surprised that out of all the beautiful gallery like photos there were no black couples.  I complained (no I didn&#039;t call Al Sharpton) but I did feel left out as an AA.<br />
The wedding walk video that is getting a lot of play on the news and everywhere else was fab, but another couple (AA) did something similar a year before J and K, but did not get the same interest.<br />
Racism is usually seen as a bold unjustly horrible denial of rights of one group against another.  None of us (including myself) would like to admit to our own subtle and faint racists actions.  I don&#039;t think you, OBB are racist&#039;s (tough word, try being black, go to an upscale bridal show and get back to me) but you may not see or hear us.<br />
Thanks for being open to the conversation.
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