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		<title>By: beth</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/09/transgender-groom/comment-page-1#comment-125814</link>
		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 21:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Stephanie-

I&#039;m queer but not trans, but since I had a lot of the same questions as you do I&#039;m going to take a shot at answering them.  

So you know, sometimes trans/queer/gay/other marginalized people get frustrated at being asked questions like these, since it can be a derailing tactic-- which you can learn about here: http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#educate

That&#039;s not saying you&#039;re trying to derail the conversation.  It&#039;s obvious from your questions that you mean well, so here are the best answers I&#039;ve got. 

&quot;If a couple is same-sex and one transitions to the opposite gender…do those people still identify as lesbian or gay? If so, why?&quot;

It depends entirely on the people in the relationship.  Sexual identity isn&#039;t dependent on a person&#039;s partner, so it&#039;s possible, for example, for a woman to identify as a lesbian and be in a relationship with a man (either a trans or cis-gendered one.)  I know a man and a woman who are married to each other, monogamous, yet both still strongly identify as bisexual.  

Many people now identify as &quot;queer&quot; instead of &quot;lesbian&quot; or &quot;gay.&quot;  Queer is viewed by some as being a more inclusive term, since it can also include trans people, their partners, asexual people, and those people who are still exploring their sexual identity. 

&quot;Also, do homosexual people consider relationships with transgendered people of the, now, opposite gender?&quot;

Some do, some don&#039;t.  It all depends on the individual.  

&quot;Further, how does transgendered marriage work in a state that doesn&#039;t allow gay marriage?&quot;

It works just like heterosexual marriage, because in the eyes of the law, that&#039;s exactly what it is.  Once a person legally transitions, the law sees them as the gender on their legal documents and doesn&#039;t differentiate between cis and trans.  

It&#039;s great that you&#039;re an ally, and that you recognize that you&#039;re not well informed, but you should be careful expressing your curiosity so you do not inadvertently offend. Trans (and queer) people are individuals and therefore there&#039;s no one &quot;right&quot; answer to any of your questions.  Plus trans (and other LGBQ people) have dealt with many years of being judged to be freaks or fetishized, so your statement that you love all orientations and identifications made me cringe a bit.  

I hope some of this was helpful!  And perhaps someone with more direct knowledge than me will chime in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Stephanie-</p>
<p>I&#039;m queer but not trans, but since I had a lot of the same questions as you do I&#039;m going to take a shot at answering them.  </p>
<p>So you know, sometimes trans/queer/gay/other marginalized people get frustrated at being asked questions like these, since it can be a derailing tactic&#8211; which you can learn about here: <a href="http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#educate" rel="nofollow">http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#educate</a></p>
<p>That&#039;s not saying you&#039;re trying to derail the conversation.  It&#039;s obvious from your questions that you mean well, so here are the best answers I&#039;ve got. </p>
<p>&#034;If a couple is same-sex and one transitions to the opposite gender…do those people still identify as lesbian or gay? If so, why?&#034;</p>
<p>It depends entirely on the people in the relationship.  Sexual identity isn&#039;t dependent on a person&#039;s partner, so it&#039;s possible, for example, for a woman to identify as a lesbian and be in a relationship with a man (either a trans or cis-gendered one.)  I know a man and a woman who are married to each other, monogamous, yet both still strongly identify as bisexual.  </p>
<p>Many people now identify as &#034;queer&#034; instead of &#034;lesbian&#034; or &#034;gay.&#034;  Queer is viewed by some as being a more inclusive term, since it can also include trans people, their partners, asexual people, and those people who are still exploring their sexual identity. </p>
<p>&#034;Also, do homosexual people consider relationships with transgendered people of the, now, opposite gender?&#034;</p>
<p>Some do, some don&#039;t.  It all depends on the individual.  </p>
<p>&#034;Further, how does transgendered marriage work in a state that doesn&#039;t allow gay marriage?&#034;</p>
<p>It works just like heterosexual marriage, because in the eyes of the law, that&#039;s exactly what it is.  Once a person legally transitions, the law sees them as the gender on their legal documents and doesn&#039;t differentiate between cis and trans.  </p>
<p>It&#039;s great that you&#039;re an ally, and that you recognize that you&#039;re not well informed, but you should be careful expressing your curiosity so you do not inadvertently offend. Trans (and queer) people are individuals and therefore there&#039;s no one &#034;right&#034; answer to any of your questions.  Plus trans (and other LGBQ people) have dealt with many years of being judged to be freaks or fetishized, so your statement that you love all orientations and identifications made me cringe a bit.  </p>
<p>I hope some of this was helpful!  And perhaps someone with more direct knowledge than me will chime in.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/09/transgender-groom/comment-page-1#comment-125708</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this post is three years old, but it seems like the perfect place to get schooled on this subject.

I&#039;m hetero and I support and love all orientations and identifications, however, that does not make me terribly informed about them!

So, I&#039;ve had a few questions just eating away at me.  If a couple is same-sex and one transitions to the opposite gender&#8230;do those people still identify as lesbian or gay?  If so, why?  To me, as an outsider, that would make it seem like the person transitioning wasn&#039;t actually making a change aside from clothing choices.  Also, do homosexual people consider relationships with transgendered people of the, now, opposite gender?  Further, how does transgendered marriage work in a state that doesn&#039;t allow gay marriage?

I&#039;m hoping I didn&#039;t come off being rude or totally stupid, but I would love to get to know more about the communities I don&#039;t usually get to be a part of as a hetero person.  Maybe there&#039;s a book someone could suggest?  Thanks! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this post is three years old, but it seems like the perfect place to get schooled on this subject.</p>
<p>I&#039;m hetero and I support and love all orientations and identifications, however, that does not make me terribly informed about them!</p>
<p>So, I&#039;ve had a few questions just eating away at me.  If a couple is same-sex and one transitions to the opposite gender&hellip;do those people still identify as lesbian or gay?  If so, why?  To me, as an outsider, that would make it seem like the person transitioning wasn&#039;t actually making a change aside from clothing choices.  Also, do homosexual people consider relationships with transgendered people of the, now, opposite gender?  Further, how does transgendered marriage work in a state that doesn&#039;t allow gay marriage?</p>
<p>I&#039;m hoping I didn&#039;t come off being rude or totally stupid, but I would love to get to know more about the communities I don&#039;t usually get to be a part of as a hetero person.  Maybe there&#039;s a book someone could suggest?  Thanks! <img src='http://media.offbeatbride.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Meadow Stallings</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/09/transgender-groom/comment-page-1#comment-125600</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel Meadow Stallings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this post is over three years old at this point -- we can&#039;t control other sites removing content. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this post is over three years old at this point &#8212; we can&#039;t control other sites removing content. <img src='http://media.offbeatbride.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/09/transgender-groom/comment-page-1#comment-125596</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The links in the article about Elroi&#039;s wedding don&#039;t work any more. Too bad! I would love to have seen those photos - especially after all of the raving about them in the article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The links in the article about Elroi&#039;s wedding don&#039;t work any more. Too bad! I would love to have seen those photos &#8211; especially after all of the raving about them in the article!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/09/transgender-groom/comment-page-1#comment-125507</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To distant family members and acquaintances, we don&#039;t bring up trans stuff unless they do (in which case, we&#039;re completely truthful and open).&quot;

I think that wording &quot;we&#039;re completely truthful&quot; is a bit problematic. It&#039;s very problematic to imply that disclosing one&#039;s trans status is being &quot;truthful&quot; because that implies that individuals who don&#039;t disclose, or individuals who have medically transitioned yet perhaps do not identify as trans or queer, are being dishonest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;To distant family members and acquaintances, we don&#039;t bring up trans stuff unless they do (in which case, we&#039;re completely truthful and open).&#034;</p>
<p>I think that wording &#034;we&#039;re completely truthful&#034; is a bit problematic. It&#039;s very problematic to imply that disclosing one&#039;s trans status is being &#034;truthful&#034; because that implies that individuals who don&#039;t disclose, or individuals who have medically transitioned yet perhaps do not identify as trans or queer, are being dishonest</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/09/transgender-groom/comment-page-1#comment-111990</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 23:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this article.. I&#039;m a transguy preparing to throw a commitment ceremony with my partner, and we&#039;re working out how to &#039;come out&#039; to his family and reinforce my transition to my own. 

Also? As far as I&#039;m concerned, gender-neutral pronouns are awesome. It&#039;s up to each of us to choose what we feel comfortable with, and I&#039;d never ask anyone to validate my own identity without being willing to accommodate theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article.. I&#039;m a transguy preparing to throw a commitment ceremony with my partner, and we&#039;re working out how to &#039;come out&#039; to his family and reinforce my transition to my own. </p>
<p>Also? As far as I&#039;m concerned, gender-neutral pronouns are awesome. It&#039;s up to each of us to choose what we feel comfortable with, and I&#039;d never ask anyone to validate my own identity without being willing to accommodate theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Griffin</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/09/transgender-groom/comment-page-1#comment-67749</link>
		<dc:creator>Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 23:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why, but it always raises my hackles when I see gender-neutral pronouns.  It&#039;s like the emphasis on on the trans-aspect, rather than him just being an awesome guy.  I&#039;m trans myself, so I do see this as a pervasive problem in society these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know why, but it always raises my hackles when I see gender-neutral pronouns.  It&#039;s like the emphasis on on the trans-aspect, rather than him just being an awesome guy.  I&#039;m trans myself, so I do see this as a pervasive problem in society these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Mery</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/09/transgender-groom/comment-page-1#comment-39187</link>
		<dc:creator>Mery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m kind of glad to really read about another circumstance that&#039;s similar to mine, except I&#039;m going to marry a aspiring MTF transgender who does not live as a woman, only behind closed doors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m kind of glad to really read about another circumstance that&#039;s similar to mine, except I&#039;m going to marry a aspiring MTF transgender who does not live as a woman, only behind closed doors.</p>
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/09/transgender-groom/comment-page-1#comment-34530</link>
		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the article the advice is right on in both cases. 

I am in a similar but all together different situation. I am a trans woman marrying a trans man.  

Keep up the good advice. 

Bianca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the article the advice is right on in both cases. </p>
<p>I am in a similar but all together different situation. I am a trans woman marrying a trans man.  </p>
<p>Keep up the good advice. </p>
<p>Bianca</p>
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		<title>By: Jessi</title>
		<link>http://offbeatbride.com/2008/09/transgender-groom/comment-page-1#comment-33820</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also marrying a transgender groom, but although he has a legal name change he is not legally recognized as male. In our state (NJ) we only have the option to get a civil union, so I&#039;m tempted to go to CT or MA to get a legal marriage. It feels really relieving to read someone else&#039;s story about going through a similar situation with an FTM partner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also marrying a transgender groom, but although he has a legal name change he is not legally recognized as male. In our state (NJ) we only have the option to get a civil union, so I&#039;m tempted to go to CT or MA to get a legal marriage. It feels really relieving to read someone else&#039;s story about going through a similar situation with an FTM partner.</p>
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